FLASH: the disney argument continues..

[Ben Park]

Brian wrote :

>If there was computer animation back in the days of 'Dumbo' and 'Fantasia',

>there might be a fair comparison to be made here, but come on - that was a

>totally different era.


I couldn't agree more, but it hardly seems to have changed at all since

those days, and nowadays with so many people making animation, I think there

are a lot of people with more original ideas, than just re-doing any old

story you can find that doesn't have a movie already.

I'm sure you can admit that Disney is no longer something to go "oooohhh"

about...


Also, all Disney films are aimed at children, and I'm a bit fed up of it.

I'd rather watch the Simpsons - which is quite clearly aimed more at adults,

as I'm sure half the kids that watch it don't understand a lot of the

jokes..


And - I don't like musicals - and lets face it - Disney films do have a lot

of music in them - I wouldn't mind so much, if they'd only come into this

century and realise you don't have to sing all the time to show your

emotions.

So come on Disney - drop the musical fad - it went out years ago...make Phil

Collins worry about where his next pay-check is coming from : )


Ben


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Date: 21 April 2000 15:08

Subject: Re: FLASH: flash cartoons + computer arts?



>> I wrote: The real genius of things like Toystory is Pixar - Disney's own

>> actual cartoons are shoddy with no detail whatsoever.

>>

>> OK - maybe I was a little hasty with my above comment. I'm more of a

lover

>> of claymation really (just cause it's 3d), as it has so much more detail.

>> Look at the detail in something like "The Lion King" and then compare

that

>> to how many hours must have been spent on Wallace and Gromit to get every

>> tiny bit right, and I think Aardman Animation win hands down on this.

>

>If there was computer animation back in the days of 'Dumbo' and 'Fantasia',

>there might be a fair comparison to be made here, but come on - that was a

>totally different era.

>In 2D animation, certain compromises certainly have to be made when it

comes

>to how much detail can be presented by a media that requires any detail has

>to be drawn in, frame after frame, by people in order to be consistent.

>Since any appreciable level of detail starts to make such a monumental task

>as creating a Disney animated feature even more of a monumantal task, we

are

>going to see a certain 'stylization' when it comes to characters and how

>much information we are given on the screen.

>In 3D computer animation, once the character is built with all its loving

>detail and the action is keyframed, the computer takes care of the rest of

>the work and you CAN get a higher level of detail in the final result, if

>that's what you want.

>Claymation is a different arena, too, but similar to 3D computer animation:

>once the character is built, all his detail will be there for every shot.

>You don't have to make sure that smudge on the cheek is drawn in in every

>frame, because it's already there.

>

>> My comparing of Disney and Pixar, was more on the detail side of things.

>Toy

>> Story has way more detail than I've ever seen in any of Disney's

>> self-proclaimed masterpieces, like Fantasia and Dumbo (and what drugs

were

>> the animators on in dumbo? Pink elephants that merge together and all

>that?

>> I think they took the "stick that in your pipe and smoke it!" saying a

bit

>> literally : )

>

>Like I said - different time, different era, different motivation.

>I'm not a Disney animation freak by any stretch of the imagination, but I

do

>realize that they produce quality work.

>Disney has a tradition of 2D animation that goes back a long ways, and it's

>one their biggest claims to fame, and they will and SHOULD keep producing

2D

>animation. 'Toy Story' is a different animal altogether, and shouldn't

>necessarily be lumped in with classic Disney animation, any more than

>Touchstone work should be.

>

>-Brian Matthews



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