Re: FLASH: Salaries

[Russell E. Unger]

I'm not neccessarily disagreeing; and especially with that specific point.  The

more you know, the more you can get.


That's a fact and you are right.  But there are other considerations I think.


Russ


JGL wrote:


> I'm gonna have to say Gahlord has a point here. It is true, if you are good

> at what you do, you can command the price, and keep working. A well

> knowledge rounded individual with progreamming *and* design skills Plus good

> project management skills, rules! And if you are able to get the work done

> in a no nonsense way, prospects know you are worth the bucks - That's just

> the facts . . .

>

> jgl

>

> "To get what you want . . .

> you have to atleast express as much"

>

> -----Original Message-----

> Russell

> E. Unger

>

> I think your ego may be a bit out of check, but I don't know much.

>

> If I'm getting paid 125k per year, I'd CERTAINLY better not be doing any

> type of

> design or coding work, and my title had better have "Director", at the

> least.

>

> As far as a salary at 80k and the hours you described, you may be a bit out

> of

> touch with how things are actually working in the internet space.  Right

> now,

> people that have similar attitudes to yours (and I'm not trying to slam you,

> so

> please don't take it wrong) are the ones that are being left

> behind--especially

> when there are persons who can do that job that will take a bit less and/or

> options.  Fact of the matter is, if you are getting 40 hour weeks, you're

> damn

> lucky or not in the internet industry.

>

> That, of course, is MY opinion, and based solely upon my experience.

>

> Russ

>

> Gahlord Dewald wrote:

>

> > 15/hr is ridiculously low. I charge 100/hr and do quite well. New York can

> > climb up to 325/hr (better be a good programmer _and_ a good designer for

> > that). But that's all subcontract/freelance.

> >

> > I wouldn't take a salary below 80k and that better be a choice position

> > where I go home at 5pm every day, don't work weekends, and have an Aeron

> to

> > sit in. 125k seems to be the salary number I hear and see most often.

> >

> > As for where you live, the fact that you live in an inexpensive place

> should

> > help you lower your rates some, but the reality is it's you that lives

> > there, not the client. If someone's trying to weasel your rate down

> because

> > you live in some place that's cheap you'd be best finding work from

> someone

> > who needs you more than they do (let them hire those 15/hr guys out there

> > and see what they get).

> >

> > IMHO, a good flash developer has both programming and creative skills. The

> > programming strategies and creative vision he or she brings to the table

> are

> > in most cases unique. No one would design the way I do (or maybe no one

> > would want to ;) ) and no one would approach a programming situation in

> > exactly the same way I do (again, maybe no one would want to). Aside from

> > your laundry list of great commodified knowledge, you contain unique

> > abilities and insights that are priceless. Be confident in that, and don't

> > commoditize yourself. Because there's always some jr high schooler willing

> > to work for cheaper.

> >

> > Of course, if you have to pay rent and you aren't bringing down the big

> > bucks then do what you gotta do. But best to concentrate on attracting

> > clients who are willing to support your livelihood and method of problem

> > solving (both creative and technical) then getting sucked into the safety

> of

> > regular money (and dog hours and tight deadlines and not enough resources

> > etc.). If necessary, consult a business coach.

> >

> > I guess that might've been 4 cents worth :)

> >

> > g

> >

> > Gahlord Dewald

>

> gahlordweedsmedia [dot] com

> > Weeds Media Consortium

> > www.weedsmedia.com

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