OT: RE: FLASH: f5 player re: p4 optimization

[Brack, Jeremy]

I think this discussion is getting very far off topic. Flash is insanely

fast on a P4.


As per your arguments:

I am sorry, but I have had no problems with DVD playback, and I am running

Windows 2000 Professional.  On top of that I have not had any bugs in any

software.  I still have not found even 1 program that will run slower or the

same speed as a P3.  And the P4 has no trouble with large quantities of

Data.


I did goto Toms Hardware website, and his tests show that the Athlon doesnt

have the speed to beat a P4.

here is a quote from Tom's website:


"Bottom line is that Pentium 4 is indeed able to deliver excellent

performance once software has been optimized for it. FlasK is an example

showing that Athlon cannot always beat Pentium 4, even when the software has

special Athlon-optimizations. My estimate of Athlon's inability to beat

Pentium 4 in this test is that Athlon runs into bandwidth limitations with

this streaming benchmark. In case of MPEG4-encoding Pentium 4's fast

quad-pumped 100 MHz bus plus the dual-Rambus channel memory access of i850

seems superior to Athlon's dual-pumped 133 MHz bus and the 133 MHz DDR-SDRAM

memory solution of AMD760. That's why even the best optimizations can't give

Athlon enough of a boost to overtake Pentium 4."


"Athlon is still not able to beat Pentium 4, even when it is overclocked to

1466/133 MHz. You can see that there is only a tiny difference in frame rate

between Athlon 1200/133, 1400/133 and 1466/133. I consider this behavior to

be the result of a clear bandwidth problem. I doubt that even an Athlon at

1.6 GHz on AMD760 could reach the results of Pentium 4 at 1.5 GHz. Athlon is

suffering from either memory or bus bandwidth restrictions and Pentium 4 can

take advantage of its high data bandwidths once more. "


"Pentium 4 beats Athlon by quite a long shot. Only in a clock-for-clock

comparison of Pentium 4 1.5 GHz and Athlon 1.466 GHz Athlon can reach the

same scores as Pentium 4. Let's get into a bit more detail:"


"In business-to-business, Athlon is still way behind Pentium 4. Even the

overclocked Athlon at 1466 MHz cannot reach Pentium 4 scores."


"For some reason Athlon beats Pentium 4 in the business-to-consumer part of

Webmark 2001."

"However, in the intranet-business simulation 'Auto Concepts' Athlon is

extremely far behind Pentium 4."


Its seems to me from reading the info on Toms website that the Athlon

suffers from severe bandwidth problems...


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Subject: Re: FLASH: f5 player re: p4 optimization



what's really being compared is all the cpus runinng up and above 1ghz...the

p4 runs

SLOWER on some programs than a p3 1ghz..but the margin is so small u cant

really tell...BUT also it runs faster in some progs than the p3 1ghz..but

the

differenc is so small, u can hardly tell


if u check out TOMSHARDWARE.COM  u know that p4 is the fastest at quake

3...but for everything else..its amd athlon 1.2 ghz.....with out the SSE2

intruction set...there's also bugs..in it.problems with dvd play back and

anything to do with large amounts of data having to do with the pci bus..


In a message dated 1/2/01 7:26:51 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Jeremy [dot] Brackimgusa [dot] com

 writes:



> Re-read my original post... my P4 blows away my old P3 667Mhz in Flash

> playback.  The only thing that barely slows down the P4 is switching to

Full

> Screen Mode while zooming in on an intense the animation with my monitor

set

> to 1600x1200 with an 85hz refresh rate.  I dont know what website gave you

> slow P4 benchmarks, but I havent found 1 application that runs the same

> speed or slower than a P3.  Everything is wicked fast. Every program loads

> much faster.  On my P4 Photoshop 6 loads in 10 seconds the first time

> loading, and nearly instant load time when you open it again.  It takes

> about 40 seconds to load Photoshop 6 on my P3. On my P4 Bryce 3D renders

> complex scenes in seconds compared with minutes or hours on my P3.  If

your

> into games, I get above 200 FPS in Quake 3 Arena at 640x480 with full

> detail, and 90 FPS at 1600x1200 full detail.  A P3 cant even push 120 FPS

in

> Quake3 at 640x480 full detail, and cant even handle 5 FPS at 1600x1200

full

> detail.



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