RE: FLASH: Professional behavior? RE: FLASH: Alcatraz site

[Olwage, Pieter]

Sorry if I offended you or any member of this list Tirah.

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I just got all frustrated with the army of

"hop-on-the-bandwagon-let's-hang-on-this-topic" people on this list.  I am a

BIG Macromedia fan ever since I first s Gabo's site about a year ago and

thought that I'd join this list to learn more and to offer my help, instead

I got mud flinged from all the intimidating old timers of this list and

labeled as the "new" kid with somming to proove.


I am sure that companies do not respect that attitude - but - if it waz up

to me I would rather employ people that fight for the company's right and

stand solid on their hind feet.  To employ people is all and all another

issue - and I did not come to this list to get employed by anyone. I came to

this list helping a person and giving that person my URL - then the

vendictives got hold of it and told me in these words ---> "YOUR SITE SUX"

<-- what they think of it.  I did not for one second ask for a crit or to be

compared to Gabo although I borowed a concept from his samples page to which

I freely admit... If Gabriel was to read this - I would sencerely like to

thank him for pioneering the full page full flash site - ditto to eye4U and

Matinee.  I would also like to thank Gabriel for his insperasion to many

Flashers out there and the Professional manner in which he presented Flash

to ALL of us.


To me that site is a way of living - continuously tweeking and modifying it

to make it a more exciting experience for the people that do like it.  I

spend hours think of new ways to go beyond Flash3 - and the NEWS of the new

Flash 4 really inspired me a lot!! I can not wait to buy a copy of it!


Despite the negative feel on this list I will continue to answer people that

need help and refrain from responding to those out to pick fights and thrive

on it.  You would not say it - but i hold a national deploma in PR and

Communications ... Just that on the web you get to deal with a lot of

different people ... even those saying without blinking an eye that you

"WORK SUX"... and that after you did not even ask or invite them to look at

it...


It is really sad to think that these people can not stand on their own feet

and build somming similar to Alcazar, GaboCorp, Matinee or even eye4U to

give back to the community,  they rather sit there in their lil offices and

through mud at other people.


I am working on a new release of my site.  Well not really a *new* release

as such 4 the old one is not really done at all and NOT ready for a lame

crit.


This new site will still use the gabo concept though and will link to Gabo

thanking him for the idea.  I really do want every hole of that site to

shine and be perfect or near perfect.  It does take a lot out of one to

build a site like that ... and believe me there is not one day that I am not

thinking of how to increase both effectiveness and efficiency on that little

600k file (got it down to 300 k now and still down sizing NOT loosing a bit

of effect).


Thing is that this site was NOT intended as a client site at all - it is

directly out of my mind and what I saw on GaboCorp - it is a reflection of

me and what I find nice and intrueging - I get a lot of good feedback from

it - and bad feedback too...


Funny how the actual designers where the worst of all... seeing that we are

not building sites for the designers BUT for the public :|


I know that aggression leads to more aggression and will end this lame net

war from this side with this e-mail for good...


Kind Regards

DJT - Pieter


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-----Original Message-----

From: Tirah [

tirahdrizzle [dot] com (mailto:tirahdrizzle [dot] com)

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Sent: 28 May 1999 11:07

To:

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Subject: FLASH: Professional behavior? RE: FLASH: Alcatraz site




Hmm.


I don't know about South Africa, but here in Seattle, home of

Microsoft et al, and one of the most wired cities in the world, 

the high tech community is quite small in that everybody knows 

everybody else, and people keep running into their pasts in all

kinds of situations. (been there, done that, you could say... :)


Rant and rail against the list all you want, but I can say for

damned sure that if I had an attitude like that, and sprinkled 

it so liberally with phuck, peeps, and whatever else, I'd be

out of work before the next time it rained here.


I certainly wouldn't assume that there aren't any prospective

employers or people with connections to prospective employers

on the list. And I sure as heck wouldn't want those prospective

sources of income to see me behaving like this either.


Talent (perceived or otherwise) isn't the only thing that follows

people around, and certainly isn't the only thing employers look

for. Employers also look for people who can cooperate with others

and take criticism in stride. Most places here come to their finalized

design with some sort of input and concensus from the team and the

client. And that includes criticism. 


Last I checked, HR people (you know, those folks who do the actual

hiring...) tend not to have Flash URLs either.


I can't imagine talking to people this way and expecting them to

stay in the room for a long enough time to work out a Flash contract

with me. :p And being reasonably polite and circumspect has been

a very good thing indeed in this town. It may well be that others

will simply have to learn that the hard way, wherever they are.


Flame away if it pleases you. You're already in my kill-file. This

mail is for the benefit of anyone else who found it useful.



Tirah





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