Re: FLASH: archive

[John Snippe]

On 8/1/99,  regarding " Re: FLASH: archive ",  John Croteau offered the

following:


>Hi all,

>

>This is not rocker science.


Actually, maybe it is... we keep 'rocking' back and forth here ;-)  (sorry,

couldn't resist!)


>There are 2 issues here and they are both

>clear legally and morally.


Well, no they are not, on either count.  That was the basic premise of my

last post, the one that started off with me hoping I was about to get an

education.  It might be clear to you, John, and that was precisely why I

asked for something more substansive than your opinion, which, if this post

is any indication, is something you are either unwilling or unable to do.

Consequently, I have little choice but to assume that your statements are

little or nothing more than your personal opinion or conjecture worded in

an authoritative manner.

>

>1) The Flasher List is NOT owned by us the subscribers. It is owned by

>Sam Michel.


agreed


> No one, not me not you, only Sam has a right to make an

>archive available for this list.


says who?


>2) There is only one allowable use of the List after it is published.

>That is that of an archive and from number one above you can see only

>Sam Michel has the right to create or authorize an archive.


again, says who?


>Other uses of the List besides personal use and that of an archive would

>require permission of the authors (us).


yeah... again, says who?


>Just because an archive would be useful and other peoople have them does

>not mean Sam has to provide or authorize one.


Agreed, inasmuch as the list owner's participation is involved.  However,

you once again assume a number of points vis-a-vis ownership and use (see

above).  If those points are not in law valid, then who says permission is

a prerequisite?


The point of my last post, which I will re-ask here, was:  Is there in fact

any legal ground on which Mr. Croteau's arguements can be based?  The

question he seems to answer in a 'de facto' manner regarding the morality

is another, and indeed far more speculative one... and I don't think, given

his intense interest in the matter, that Mr. Croteau would be the highest

and best authority on that element of the discussion.  Where passion and

self-interest are in the mix, morality tends quickly to depreciate.


And once again allow me to repeat from my last post: This, please

understand, is a 'devil's advocate' position I am taking...


And in response to Dorian, where he offered:


>

From: Dorian Nisinson <dorianbway [dot] net>

><soap box>

>	John S seems to want to be a help to the list, which is a fine thing.

>It might have been wiser to follow this list for a while longer before

>deciding unilaterally how the list needs to be helped and who was to do

>it. But his intention was good. This is not a bad thing. It just turned

>out badly so far.


On July 22nd I posted the following to this group:


>Subject: FLASH: New Poster...

>

Sender: ownershocker [dot] com

>Precedence: bulk

>

Reply-To: flashershocker [dot] com

>

>...just wants to say "Hello" and to ask if there is a searchable archive of

>postings to this list so I don't have to ask questions already answered

>hundreds of times!


If that, or anything I offered subsequently on either that thread or this

one is in any way similar to coersive or unilateral, please accept my

apologies!  Ask yourself this question:  Have I been acting like a 'high

and mighty' authority here?  I think not...  all I have been doing is

asking questions based on statements made, statements that to the best of

my admittedly limited knowledge have little or no basis in hard fact.  And

yes, if there really is 'hard fact' to be known, I really do want to know

about it!




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