RE: [flasher] Re: OT - Images

[Tom Kerwin]

Didn't this thread start when one of the web designers asked for free,

quality photos? I think the replying photographer made his point elegantly,

and now everyone seems to have jumped on him instead.


It seems to be a burning issue. I agree with Mo's point - we did all get

into it for the enjoyment and not the money. However I would also argue that

there's a limit to this enjoyment, and when it's your full time job, the

last thing you want to do is go home and do more web design - free time is

precious, and you'd end up doing nothing else. 


The ideal is when, like Mo, you have your own company, and can set aside

time you'd spend working anyway to work for free on projects you believe in

- effectively paying for them with the spoils from corporate whoring. I have

a friend who's keen to try this model to develop an 'ethical' agency in the

Robin Hood mould - taking cash from the rich, bloated fat cats to support

supplying knowledge and skills to good causes.


For those of us who don't have that option available, I suggest another

approach - avoid getting into building all your friends' web sites for free

- instead help them learn how to set up their own, letting them derive their

own enjoyment from the experience. We all know the best books to read, and

the worst of the pitfalls to avoid. So they may make a bit of a hash of it

compared to a professional site... I bet everyone on this list cringes when

they think of their first web page!


Anyway, I must stop ranting and get back to whoring myself...


Have fun,


Tom xxx




> Actually I think that's a really crap stand point. When I first started

> design I wasn't in it for the money, when I first opened up 

> my company the

> money still came second place. Believe it or not there are people who

> actually enjoy design and the thrill of being involved in a project.

> Money is a tool, you use it to get around in society. Once you 

> start to let

> it govern what you will and won't do... you're screwed.

> And I mean most of you guys are real good designers and action 

> script experts

> and stuff, so I'm not dissing your talent..im just saying you're becoming

> wh*res ;)

> 

> 

> ----- Original Message -----

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From: "Max Johnson" <subscribeslingblade [dot] com>

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To: "flasher from chinwag" <flasherlists [dot] chinwag [dot] com>

> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 7:11 AM

> Subject: [flasher] Re: OT - Images

> 

> 

> > There's no such thing as a free lunch... You get what you 

> pay for... But

> perhaps

> > you could put up a notice at a local multi-media/design 

> school targeting

> > students willing to get the training and practice...

> > Or if you wanna barter; If you have someone spend 40 hours 

> designing a

> Flash

> > site for you, expect to spend 40 hours taking pictures for 

> him/her...

> >

> > / Max

> >

> > | Max Johnson

> > | Slingblade Digital�

> > | 310.308.1409

>

> | maxslingblade [dot] com

> > | www.slingblade.com/

> > | www.maxjohnsononline.com/

> >

> >

> >

> > > > Hi, I'm a photographer and looking for a designer to redesign my

> webpage

> > > > with nothing less than FLASH.

> > > > I'm just curious how many web designers are offended 

> when being asked

> to

> > > > work for free.

> > > > Any comments?

> > > >

> > > > Gerhard Gscheidle / photography / Stuttgart

> > > > http://www.gg-photo.de

> >

> >

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