uk-netmarketing Archive (2011-2015)

Hi, I don't normally comment on this list, but this is a little 
misleading re open source and its causing sleepless nights. Using 
existing software without a licence fee of course makes the basis of 
development simpler and cheaper for many. Comments below.

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On 24/11/11 14:27, Angus Phillipson wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> Sorry to be a pedant, but you don’t necessarily “own” anything open 
> source either (assuming that was the comparison you were making).
>
> You may have an open source code license to redistribute though.   But 
> you may have a restrictive open source code license,  which is not 
> uncommon.
>
And when you say restrictive, what you mean is that you have to licence 
back modifications, not that you are restricted from using the code as 
you wish, other then that sharing the goodness, element?
>
> Alternatively you might have a non-restrictive license to use closed 
> source software,  which allows budding entrepreneurs to sleep easy on 
> ownership issues.
>
The licences don't require transfer of ownership, just a licence back of 
the new work created using the open source licences, engineers who work 
in open source are very familiar with this and its a matter of course 
and in many cases pride for them to add their contributions.

Not clear why that would stop anyone sleeping easy at night.
>
> Confusingly .NET can also be open source too, like Umbraco 
> http://umbraco.com/download/source-code-license.aspx which is largely 
> distributed under the MIT license.
>
> I would agree with you though,  .Net development can be comparably 
> labour intensive if you were developing a community website from 
> scratch (say),  and there are licensing considerations for MS SQL 
> server.   But ruby on rails application development is also labour 
> intensive,  and there are other databases available….
>
> Umbraco might make development faster,  by giving you pre-existing 
> modules to use under license, and you could always run it on  MySQL 
> database.    Which might make a comparanbly cheap implementation.
>
> Horses for courses…
>
> Regards
>
> angus
>
> *From:*uk-netmarketing-bounces at mm.chinwag.com 
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> <mailto:uk-netmarketing-bounces at mm.chinwag.com>] *On Behalf Of *John 
> Braithwaite
> *Sent:* 24 November 2011 11:22
> *To:* uk-netmarketing
> *Subject:* Re: [uk-netmarketing] Sports - Community Website Platform
>
> Suzy
>
> I have no experience of developing a community site from scratch and 
> so am not in a position to suggest a platform for you.
>
> Perhaps I have a jaded view, but I have a number of clients who regret 
> ever committing to the .net platform. Not only are it's benefits 
> exaggerated but it costs a lot more to operate and run (OK - perhaps 
> 200% is over the top, but just call it 'considerably more').
>
> Furthermore (for all those budding entrepreneurs out there) there is a 
> further issue... if you create a great community site and find it is 
> of considerable value and would like to sell it... if you are on a 
> customised and licensed platform you almost certainly will find buyers 
> more wary and offering less for your site / community. Because you 
> don't really 'own' it fully.
>
> So, food for thought...
>
> Cheers
>
> John
>
> On 22 Nov 2011, at 17:25, Suzy Turnbull wrote:
>
>
>
> So, John, what would you recommend?
>
> *From: *John Braithwaite <john at ergodigital.com 
> <mailto:john at ergodigital.com>>
> *Reply-To: *uk-netmarketing <uk-netmarketing at mm.chinwag.com 
> <mailto:uk-netmarketing at mm.chinwag.com>>
> *Date: *Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:10:30 +0000
> *To: *uk-netmarketing <uk-netmarketing at mm.chinwag.com 
> <mailto:uk-netmarketing at mm.chinwag.com>>
> *Subject: *Re: [uk-netmarketing] Sports - Community Website Platform
>
> Sitecore = .net platform = almost 200% more on developer (time) + not 
> open source = raised ongoing costs...
>
> On 22 Nov 2011, at 12:20, Ty-John Roberts wrote:
>
>
>
> I'll agree with Dan and say Sitecore would do this as it handles lots 
> of countries very well.
>
> Sorry to say I wouldnt choose Drupal, as to my knowledge it would need 
> a lot of developing
>
> Just my two pence :)
>
> Ty
>
> On 21 Nov 2011, at 23:53, daniel barker wrote:
>
>
>
> hi, Suzy,
>
> I'm not sure whether you're asking for a general enterprise CMS tool, 
> or a specific 'community' platform.
>
> If the former, Tridion, Oracle WebCenter, SiteCore & Autonomy WCM are 
> all big, enterprise CMS systems that will handle that kind of thing.
>
> If the latter, Jive, IBM Connections, and Telligent are the big ones I 
> know of. (The first 2 are most often used for big internal comms 
> networks afaik)
>
> Hope that helps in some way!
>
> dan
>
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> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Suzy Turnbull 
> <sturnbull at emarketing-tactics.com 
> <mailto:sturnbull at emarketing-tactics.com>> wrote:
>
> Hello Chinwagger Community,
>
> I wonder if you may be able to point me in the right direction to find 
> a really robust and sustainable platform to build a Community website 
> for a large scale multi-sporting event, not as big as the Olympics, 
> but along the same lines where many countries are involved.
>
> I would welcome your ideas and suggestions.
>
> Many thanks indeed.
>
> Suzy Turnbull
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