uk-netmarketing Archive (2011-2015)

Hi Amanda,

You appear to have dragged a soap box into a pretty sensible discussion.
You have also made some incorrect assumptions and seem to assert there is
only one type of open source license and that users share cuddles as they
develop and license back modifications.

Perhaps you could read the thread properly before commenting?  Given your
role you probably understand better than most the implications of access
to source code and licenses to use and modify it.

The point being made is that before making a choice on underlying
software, of any type,  users need to understand fully the implications of
the license to use it, to use extensions from it and modifications to it.
Which is good advice.    I was giving examples of the many different
license scenarios , not advising or making a judgment.

But,  since you actually made the association between open-source
licensing and sleepless nights (nobody actually said that, but....)  and
because it's Monday morning and I'm a little short of sleep,  perhaps you
could explain why phone handset manufacturers using the apache software
licensed Android operating system are having sleepless nights?  Maybe you
could add a note on why Android does not use the LGPL license format.
Hint:  license infringements & compliance cost to downstream developers...

Regards

angus



-----Original Message-----
From: uk-netmarketing-bounces at mm.chinwag.com
[mailto:uk-netmarketing-bounces at mm.chinwag.com] On Behalf Of Amanda Brock
Sent: 26 November 2011 10:42
To: uk-netmarketing at mm.chinwag.com
Subject: Re: [uk-netmarketing] Sports - Community Website Platform

Hi, I don't normally comment on this list, but this is a little misleading
re open source and its causing sleepless nights. Using existing software
without a licence fee of course makes the basis of development simpler and
cheaper for many. Comments below.

Amanda

Amanda Brock, General Counsel
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On 24/11/11 14:27, Angus Phillipson wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> Sorry to be a pedant, but you don't necessarily "own" anything open
> source either (assuming that was the comparison you were making).
>
> You may have an open source code license to redistribute though.   But
> you may have a restrictive open source code license,  which is not
> uncommon.
>
And when you say restrictive, what you mean is that you have to licence
back modifications, not that you are restricted from using the code as you
wish, other then that sharing the goodness, element?
>
> Alternatively you might have a non-restrictive license to use closed
> source software,  which allows budding entrepreneurs to sleep easy on
> ownership issues.
>
The licences don't require transfer of ownership, just a licence back of
the new work created using the open source licences, engineers who work in
open source are very familiar with this and its a matter of course and in
many cases pride for them to add their contributions.

Not clear why that would stop anyone sleeping easy at night.
>
> Confusingly .NET can also be open source too, like Umbraco
> http://umbraco.com/download/source-code-license.aspx which is largely
> distributed under the MIT license.
>
> I would agree with you though,  .Net development can be comparably
> labour intensive if you were developing a community website from
> scratch (say),  and there are licensing considerations for MS SQL
> server.   But ruby on rails application development is also labour
> intensive,  and there are other databases available..
>
> Umbraco might make development faster,  by giving you pre-existing
> modules to use under license, and you could always run it on  MySQL
> database.    Which might make a comparanbly cheap implementation.
>
> Horses for courses.
>
> Regards
>
> angus
>
> *From:*uk-netmarketing-bounces at mm.chinwag.com
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> [mailto:uk-netmarketing-bounces at mm.chinwag.com
> <mailto:uk-netmarketing-bounces at mm.chinwag.com>] *On Behalf Of *John
> Braithwaite
> *Sent:* 24 November 2011 11:22
> *To:* uk-netmarketing
> *Subject:* Re: [uk-netmarketing] Sports - Community Website Platform
>
> Suzy
>
> I have no experience of developing a community site from scratch and
> so am not in a position to suggest a platform for you.
>
> Perhaps I have a jaded view, but I have a number of clients who regret
> ever committing to the .net platform. Not only are it's benefits
> exaggerated but it costs a lot more to operate and run (OK - perhaps
> 200% is over the top, but just call it 'considerably more').
>
> Furthermore (for all those budding entrepreneurs out there) there is a
> further issue... if you create a great community site and find it is
> of considerable value and would like to sell it... if you are on a
> customised and licensed platform you almost certainly will find buyers
> more wary and offering less for your site / community. Because you
> don't really 'own' it fully.
>
> So, food for thought...
>
> Cheers
>
> John
>
> On 22 Nov 2011, at 17:25, Suzy Turnbull wrote:
>
>
>
> So, John, what would you recommend?
>
> *From: *John Braithwaite <john at ergodigital.com
> <mailto:john at ergodigital.com>>
> *Reply-To: *uk-netmarketing <uk-netmarketing at mm.chinwag.com
> <mailto:uk-netmarketing at mm.chinwag.com>>
> *Date: *Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:10:30 +0000
> *To: *uk-netmarketing <uk-netmarketing at mm.chinwag.com
> <mailto:uk-netmarketing at mm.chinwag.com>>
> *Subject: *Re: [uk-netmarketing] Sports - Community Website Platform
>
> Sitecore = .net platform = almost 200% more on developer (time) + not
> open source = raised ongoing costs...
>
> On 22 Nov 2011, at 12:20, Ty-John Roberts wrote:
>
>
>
> I'll agree with Dan and say Sitecore would do this as it handles lots
> of countries very well.
>
> Sorry to say I wouldnt choose Drupal, as to my knowledge it would need
> a lot of developing
>
> Just my two pence :)
>
> Ty
>
> On 21 Nov 2011, at 23:53, daniel barker wrote:
>
>
>
> hi, Suzy,
>
> I'm not sure whether you're asking for a general enterprise CMS tool,
> or a specific 'community' platform.
>
> If the former, Tridion, Oracle WebCenter, SiteCore & Autonomy WCM are
> all big, enterprise CMS systems that will handle that kind of thing.
>
> If the latter, Jive, IBM Connections, and Telligent are the big ones I
> know of. (The first 2 are most often used for big internal comms
> networks afaik)
>
> Hope that helps in some way!
>
> dan
>
>
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> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Suzy Turnbull
> <sturnbull at emarketing-tactics.com
> <mailto:sturnbull at emarketing-tactics.com>> wrote:
>
> Hello Chinwagger Community,
>
> I wonder if you may be able to point me in the right direction to find
> a really robust and sustainable platform to build a Community website
> for a large scale multi-sporting event, not as big as the Olympics,
> but along the same lines where many countries are involved.
>
> I would welcome your ideas and suggestions.
>
> Many thanks indeed.
>
> Suzy Turnbull
>
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