uk-netmarketing Archive (2011-2015)

Hah!    John, Did you really just dismiss the most important paradigm shift
in systems development process as a go-faster stripe!   I love it.



Agile is indeed easy to say,  and no doubt the credentials of the Ecademy
SEO experts/coaches will soon include ‘agile coach’.



I accept it is easy to get wrong,  and when inexperienced teams get it
wrong it goes very (very) wrong,  as you are removing the traditional
project management constraints.   Which makes it risky in the hands of
chancers.



However, after training, experience and with the right systems, methodology
and client engagement it makes a phenomenal difference to the quality,
 cost  and inherent risk of systems development.



30-40% successful scope change *during* development is not uncommon.   And
that is 30-40% of ‘stage 2’ you don’t have left after the first
implementation.  That is a very handsome saving in priority requirements
over redundant functionality indeed.



And if you also drop in methodology like pair programming from XP and test
driven methodology then you have something rather lovely from a development
process perspective.



Much better systems, delivered faster and at lower cost.



What’s not to like?



angus



*From:* uk-netmarketing-bounces at mm.chinwag.com [mailto:
uk-netmarketing-bounces at mm.chinwag.com] *On Behalf Of *John Braithwaite
*Sent:* 29 November 2011 18:02
*To:* uk-netmarketing
*Subject:* Re: [uk-netmarketing] Sports - Community Website Platform



I have a small observation to make: I think 'Agile/Lean' is just the
equivalent of sticking 'go faster' stripes on a banger.



I know of a very big site which is held together by blue tack and
double-sided sticky tape. And they have about 10 different technical
suppliers coming in at all angles. A contact of mine is in one of these
agencies and, get this, his job title is 'Chaordic Agent'. I kid you not.



So when he started going off about Agile this, and lean that... I just know
it's another spin for another dollar. I ain't see the evidence in the
particular site he works with.



But his daily rate is eye-watering...



;-)





On 29 Nov 2011, at 15:30, Angus Phillipson wrote:



Hi John,



Oh that sounds familiar,  but don’t they say ‘buy cheap, buy twice’ ;)



‘Planning Poker’ is a tactic used to limit the risk in estimation between
developers.  It’s a good concept,  but resource intensive.



Interesting building analogy – I heard Heathrow Terminal 5  was a great
success story in using agile / lean methodology on a big civil engineering
project,  but have never been able to find anything substantive to read
more about it.



regards



angus



*From:* uk-netmarketing-bounces at mm.chinwag.com [mailto:
uk-netmarketing-bounces at mm.chinwag.com] *On Behalf Of *John Braithwaite
*Sent:* 29 November 2011 14:18
*To:* uk-netmarketing
*Subject:* Re: [uk-netmarketing] Sports - Community Website Platform



I can see the problem from both sides and I think there are two problems
here:



1. Clients want to be told and are sold on what they want to hear - so
agencies who tell them a build will be six months don't get the work, and
the one who says 'two months' gets the job even though they end up taking
eight



2. The techies who 'sell' don't often actually do the work. So they look at
a project and thing 'it'd take me 20 days' and then hand it to a junior,
they lose sight of it, and only get called in when the client finally
throws the photocopier out of the window and then they fire-fight



Neither of these are anything specifically to do with Gantt charts...
though ;-)



The irony is that there are a lot of strong comparisons between the
building trade and the website building trade - from even the terminology!





On 29 Nov 2011, at 12:32, junk at humble2.com wrote:



I absolutely understand the allergic reaction to ms project and gant charts
but it seems to me that its a langauge clients already understand and that
they look for this level of clarity in order to get sign-off on budgets and
timelines.



Can anyone point me towards some resources that would bridge the gap
between client-friendly waterfall plans and something a bit more
progressive & realistic?



Many thanks

rgds

Nick







----



Nick Edell @ work






On 28 Nov 2011, at 09:20, John Braithwaite <john at ergodigital.com> wrote:

Skimmed over most of it, but loved the final comment:



PS If anyone shows you  a Microsoft Project Gantt chart, run a mile.



Very true. The only two developers who ever showed me a Gantt chart at the
beginning of the project never referred back to it (even if I brought it
up) and ended up delivering late and over budget having missed all their
milestones (from said chart).





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