uk-netmarketing Archive (2011-2015)

I have a small observation to make: I think 'Agile/Lean' is just the equivalent of sticking 'go faster' stripes on a banger.

I know of a very big site which is held together by blue tack and double-sided sticky tape. And they have about 10 different technical suppliers coming in at all angles. A contact of mine is in one of these agencies and, get this, his job title is 'Chaordic Agent'. I kid you not. 

So when he started going off about Agile this, and lean that... I just know it's another spin for another dollar. I ain't see the evidence in the particular site he works with. 

But his daily rate is eye-watering... 

;-)


On 29 Nov 2011, at 15:30, Angus Phillipson wrote:

> Hi John,
>  
> Oh that sounds familiar,  but don’t they say ‘buy cheap, buy twice’ ;)
>  
> ‘Planning Poker’ is a tactic used to limit the risk in estimation between developers.  It’s a good concept,  but resource intensive.
>  
> Interesting building analogy – I heard Heathrow Terminal 5  was a great success story in using agile / lean methodology on a big civil engineering project,  but have never been able to find anything substantive to read more about it.
>  
> regards
>  
> angus
>  
> From: uk-netmarketing-bounces at mm.chinwag.com [mailto:uk-netmarketing-bounces at mm.chinwag.com] On Behalf Of John Braithwaite
> Sent: 29 November 2011 14:18
> To: uk-netmarketing
> Subject: Re: [uk-netmarketing] Sports - Community Website Platform
>  
> I can see the problem from both sides and I think there are two problems here:
>  
> 1. Clients want to be told and are sold on what they want to hear - so agencies who tell them a build will be six months don't get the work, and the one who says 'two months' gets the job even though they end up taking eight
>  
> 2. The techies who 'sell' don't often actually do the work. So they look at a project and thing 'it'd take me 20 days' and then hand it to a junior, they lose sight of it, and only get called in when the client finally throws the photocopier out of the window and then they fire-fight
>  
> Neither of these are anything specifically to do with Gantt charts... though ;-)
>  
> The irony is that there are a lot of strong comparisons between the building trade and the website building trade - from even the terminology!
>  
>  
> On 29 Nov 2011, at 12:32, junk at humble2.com wrote:
> 
> 
> I absolutely understand the allergic reaction to ms project and gant charts but it seems to me that its a langauge clients already understand and that they look for this level of clarity in order to get sign-off on budgets and timelines.
>  
> Can anyone point me towards some resources that would bridge the gap between client-friendly waterfall plans and something a bit more progressive & realistic?
>  
> Many thanks
> 
> rgds
> Nick
>  
>  
>  
> ----
>  
> Nick Edell @ work
>  
>  
> 
> On 28 Nov 2011, at 09:20, John Braithwaite <john at ergodigital.com> wrote:
> 
> Skimmed over most of it, but loved the final comment:
>  
> PS If anyone shows you  a Microsoft Project Gantt chart, run a mile.
>  
> Very true. The only two developers who ever showed me a Gantt chart at the beginning of the project never referred back to it (even if I brought it up) and ended up delivering late and over budget having missed all their milestones (from said chart).
>  
>  
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