uk-netmarketing Archive (2011-2015)

Hi John,



Oh that sounds familiar,  but don’t they say ‘buy cheap, buy twice’ ;)



‘Planning Poker’ is a tactic used to limit the risk in estimation between
developers.  It’s a good concept,  but resource intensive.



Interesting building analogy – I heard Heathrow Terminal 5  was a great
success story in using agile / lean methodology on a big civil engineering
project,  but have never been able to find anything substantive to read
more about it.



regards



angus



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*Subject:* Re: [uk-netmarketing] Sports - Community Website Platform



I can see the problem from both sides and I think there are two problems
here:



1. Clients want to be told and are sold on what they want to hear - so
agencies who tell them a build will be six months don't get the work, and
the one who says 'two months' gets the job even though they end up taking
eight



2. The techies who 'sell' don't often actually do the work. So they look at
a project and thing 'it'd take me 20 days' and then hand it to a junior,
they lose sight of it, and only get called in when the client finally
throws the photocopier out of the window and then they fire-fight



Neither of these are anything specifically to do with Gantt charts...
though ;-)



The irony is that there are a lot of strong comparisons between the
building trade and the website building trade - from even the terminology!





On 29 Nov 2011, at 12:32, junk at humble2.com wrote:



I absolutely understand the allergic reaction to ms project and gant charts
but it seems to me that its a langauge clients already understand and that
they look for this level of clarity in order to get sign-off on budgets and
timelines.



Can anyone point me towards some resources that would bridge the gap
between client-friendly waterfall plans and something a bit more
progressive & realistic?



Many thanks

rgds

Nick







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Nick Edell @ work






On 28 Nov 2011, at 09:20, John Braithwaite <john at ergodigital.com> wrote:

Skimmed over most of it, but loved the final comment:



PS If anyone shows you  a Microsoft Project Gantt chart, run a mile.



Very true. The only two developers who ever showed me a Gantt chart at the
beginning of the project never referred back to it (even if I brought it
up) and ended up delivering late and over budget having missed all their
milestones (from said chart).





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