uk-netmarketing Archive (2011-2015)

Hello Mike

I gather from the question that the emails were all actual subscribers, it's just some were either malformed or gone aways.

Excuse me if I got that wrong.

My point was that really there's no way to tell a hard bounce unless you get a hard bounce. And even then some may actually be hard bounces but you'd never know, because the receiving email server won't tell you.

I think it is perfectly reasonable to email a legitimate list (ie one full of subscribers) through an ESP and look/take action on the results.

Mark



On 10 Apr 2013, at 14:31, Mike Parry wrote:

> It's not ethical, and as an ESP I find it deplorable that you would suggest trying to burn one of a legitimate senders ip's to clean a list. 
> 
> The real question is why is the list dirty? Is it because the client doesn't actually have permission to mail it? If so then they shouldn't mail it and if they are going to the they should risk their own IP's. A worse case scenario for the ESP is this list takes down a whole range of IP's 128 x whatever price the ESP has to pay for them, and all the other clients that could be effected so that your client can clean their dirty list! 
> 
> And the services that fake send emails tend to have a 30-40% error rate and will also confirm spam traps as valid addresses. Best advice is to collect clean opt in data, not try and SPAM dirty data
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 9 Apr 2013, at 17:50, mark lesbirel <mark.lesbirel at creativematch.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Hmmm
>> 
>> I am not sure 'pretending' is a good idea.
>> 
>> You really need to send an email to have any hope of getting a legitimate response. But.
>> 
>> Ty has a good point here.
>> 
>> You could pay one of the bigger providers to broadcast a mail, perhaps something useful but not associated with your 'client' and use the 'real' mailing (ie not a 'pretend' one) to clean your list.
>> 
>> You might find a lot of hard bounces are bad formats (ie include spaces, malformed domains, not '@' etc) - we built a widget about 10 years ago that cleans these before a broadcast gets sent. Old hat now I am sure.
>> 
>> I am also not sure my first suggestion is ethical or best practice, must be having a senior moment.
>> 
>> ;-)
>> 
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 8 Apr 2013, at 13:30, Ty-John Roberts wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Damian
>>> 
>>> Mailchimp cleans up your soft and hard bounces automatically.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> ty
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>>> On 5 Apr 2013, at 15:34, Damian Jennings <damianjennings at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Afternoon all
>>> 
>>> Been AAAAGES since I used this list. Been working in different industry. However, now I am doing some mainstream work again and have a new client with a rather dirty email list. I want to get the hard bounces removed before he ruins his IP. 
>>> 
>>> I know there are some services which will 'pretend' to send mail to the address, and if they get valid response from the ISP mail server will report it as a 'good' address. 
>>> 
>>> Any recommendations?
>>> 
>>> Thanks and happy Friday
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