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Subject: Re: Learing HTML (was: Branden Hall. FLASH: A solution to zipped files on Mac's!)
From: Pam Andrews
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 14:29:04 GMT

'ringing bells' is one of my favorite pursuits <g>

and I betcha make more money too!

ever the capitalist........ Pam

"Unger, Russell" wrote:

> Kept my mouth shut long enough...actually, Pam Andrews kinda rang my bell...
>
> I actually hard-coded HTML up until March of 1998, and while that may be a
> bit on the extremist side, I can tell you honestly that when it comes down
> to the brass tacks when a WYSIWYG editor won't cooperate or won't lock
> something down "just so", I'm the guy that gets the call to dive into the
> code and figure it out.
>
> I will thank the HTML God's that I was "silly" enough to stay code-worthy
> for so long...
>
> Russell E. Unger
>
> Modern Business Technology
> 1300 E. Woodfield Road, Suite 302
> Schaumburg, IL 60173-4984
> tel: 847.605.1917 x256
> fax: 847.605.1905
> rungeratmbtinc [dot] com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pam Andrews [pandrewsatmindspring [dot] com (mailto:pandrewsatmindspring [dot] com)]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 9:40 PM
> To: flasheratshocker [dot] com
> Subject: Re: Learing HTML (was: Branden Hall. FLASH: A solution to
> zipped files on Mac's!)
>
> New to the list, tossing in my $0.02 as a way of saying HOWDY (I have a ton
> of
> questions, savin' 'em for later :)
>
> I manage four "Internet Developers" who were tossed at me when our IS
> department re-structured. All of them had done some pretty nifty
> 'skunkworks'
> projects using a variety of WYSIWYG tools. When we formalized
> internet/intranet development, it became PAINFULLY obvious that they didn't
> know JACK about raw HTML, and I spent a great many hours coaching them
> through
> the very basics.
>
> Three of them have since bailed (I'm a horrid boss, I suppose! <eg>) and
> I'm
> in the process of replacing them and adding more staff. You can bet your
> bottom dollar I'll make sure they know how to code in those mainstays of the
> programming world - Notepad and VI!!!
>
> Know the code! Tools aren't a substitute, they're an accelerator -- the big
> bucks go to those who know how to apply the tools to the basics!
>
> Thanks for the forum :)
>
> Pam
>
> Tirah wrote:
>
> > Definitely learn the code from scratch first. Then you can fix all
> > the extra junks the WYSIWYGs put in. :)
> >
> > I've had people tell me that once the HTML is learned, using a WYSIWYG
> > is an acceptable time saver because they then know what it is they
> > need to fix in the code, and save time that way rather than code the
> > whole page from scratch.
> >
> > Though personally, I would rather stick pins in my eyes before using a
> > WYSIWYG. :)
> >
> > HomeSite (or Net Objects Fusion a.k.a. HomeSite on Steroids) for
> > PC and BBEdit for Mac are great editors. I love them to death.
> >
> > In any event, yes knuckle down to do the HTML. IMO the best way to
> > really get what you need out of HTML-from-scratch knowledge is to
> > put up a page with some complexity to it and get it to look exactly alike
> > in all the major browsers, and on both PC and Mac.
> >
> > I also second the recommendation of the HTML Visual Quick Start Guide.
> > Great book. Has everything about HTML in concentrated doses of concise
> > english.
> >
> > HTML is not hard to learn. But it does require a certain degree of
> > anal-ness and a willingness to tweak at it for cross-platform
> > compatibility. Plus, your coders will thank you for not taking their
> > pages and adding lots of stuff to them that they then have to backtrack
> > and take out all over again. :) (and again...and again...and...) This will
> > happen with stuff coded from scratch that later got opened in a WYSIWYG.
> > Phenomenal waste of time to deal with.
> >
> > Tirah
> >
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