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Subject:	Re: ISP needs Flash site,-chance for exposure
From:	David Gary
Date:	Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:02:59 +0100

Hiya Wayne,

Wayne Townsend wrote:

> D:
> >Creating *free* work for commercial entities has never paid as long as Ive
> >been
> >in the freelance business and I'll still discourage any artist from doing
> >pro-bono
> >
> >for profit organizations.
>
> W:
> How long is that?

About 15 years in traditional illustration and creating fine art. Doesnt matter,
traditional market
is a well established and prime template for a digital illustration standard.
Different medium, same
market, advertising.

Puter wont make you an artist anymore than an airbrush will.

> D:
> >Indeed! Charge what you please, just charge. Do work, get paid, give a
> >reciept,
> >its an industry,lets keep it that way.
> >Again, as I said the guild is created mostly to protect the best interest
> >of the
> >artist usually on legal
> >matters more than it is a pricing guide.
> >
> >goto www.gag.org to read about it.
>
> W:
> Ok, I will. But I'll still do it my way.

?

>
>
> D:
> >Indeed your work needs to be seen. Any amateur here can call the ISP they
> >have an
> >accountwith and get free server space to show off their work. If your ISP wont
> >give you the space then
> >drop the account because most will.
>
> W:
> thank you for agreeing, and don't you adree that w/...then, isn't turnabout fair
> play?...

> D: ?

> >I would advise any amateur starting out to
> >create for
> >you own benifit and not the benefit of a profit organization. The more times a
> >company can get free
> >work by a amateur _or_ pro it hurts all of us and starts to set a standard
> >than
> >none of us here want.
>
> ...and...

D: ?

>
>
> >ISP is not the golden bucket when it comes to exposure. The point is that more
> >andmore companies are using this technique to get free work that they can
> >perfectly
> >pay for. It hurts the integrity of our standard, period. If you do quality
> >work
> >for a
> >reasonable price you will get business. You dont need any ISP's homepage
> >promoting
> >your
> >"free" work.
>
> W:
> >> In fact, if our ISP decides that they want a Flashed homepage, I'd
> >> probably do it for them in a heart-beat.
>
> D:
> >Thats your choice, but its a fact that you would also be degrading our
> >standard.
>
> W: No, I would be upgrading it. Somebody told me once, "That's what you
> do, Wayne". I still remember that compliment; but I digress...

D: ?

>
>
> D:
> >It seems here that this would be a chance to take someone
> >else's work and promote yourself with it. Theres your "payoff".
>
> W:
> Yes, correct Dave. Good observation. I pull an experienced and talented
> MMdeveloper's ass out of the economic fire, pull them up onto the web; help
> them rebuild their hardware and software, and for that, I get to attach the
> WebStaffing. Net name to the conversion from CD to Web. It's nothing
> really. Just like sticking a WebStaffing.Net logo on the side of a race
> car.
>
> I may not have paper money flowing into my hand at this time from deals
> like these; but in this deal, webstaffing.net AND Digifilm are both winning.
>
> Is there some reason I shouldn't get credit for that my part in the success
> story?

Absolutely not and therefore your not promoting "pro-bono" for a profitableentity.

Good job!

Now what were we talking about?<g>

-DG-

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