RE: FLASH: Salaries

[David Jacobs]

Actually, those are the terms for 6 positions currently open at a *major*

beer manufacturer here in St. Louis (you can guess who ; ). The hourly rates

they have given to the recruiters range from $55 - $70 an hour. Take out a

particular recruiter's cut of $15/hr and you have a minimum of $40/hr, which

equates to over $80k a year. Overtime is available, but of course the pay is

at overtime rates. These are contract and contract-to-hire. Strong VB skills

required.


Don't short-change yourself. There are companies willing to pay outrageous

rates. Using monster.com the representatives of these companies will be

massing on your doorstep. Seriously.


David Jacobs

Web Developer

Skywalker Communications

http://www.skywalker.com

http://www.itverge.com


Phone: 636.272.8025 x167


> -----Original Message-----

>

From: paul wehner [SMTP:pwehnerfuse [dot] net]

> Sent:	Wednesday, April 26, 2000 5:15 PM

>

To: flasherchinwag [dot] com

> Subject:	RE: FLASH: Salaries

> 

> 80K/year leave at 5, no weekends?  Good luck!

> This is web development not crack dealing we're talking about right?

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

>

From: ownerchinwag [dot] com [ownerchinwag [dot] com]On">mailto:ownerchinwag [dot] com]On Behalf Of Gahlord

> Dewald

> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 4:13 PM

>

To: flasherchinwag [dot] com

> Subject: FLASH: Salaries

> 

> 

> 15/hr is ridiculously low. I charge 100/hr and do quite well. New York can

> climb up to 325/hr (better be a good programmer _and_ a good designer for

> that). But that's all subcontract/freelance.

> 

> I wouldn't take a salary below 80k and that better be a choice position

> where I go home at 5pm every day, don't work weekends, and have an Aeron

> to

> sit in. 125k seems to be the salary number I hear and see most often.

> 

> As for where you live, the fact that you live in an inexpensive place

> should

> help you lower your rates some, but the reality is it's you that lives

> there, not the client. If someone's trying to weasel your rate down

> because

> you live in some place that's cheap you'd be best finding work from

> someone

> who needs you more than they do (let them hire those 15/hr guys out there

> and see what they get).

> 

> IMHO, a good flash developer has both programming and creative skills. The

> programming strategies and creative vision he or she brings to the table

> are

> in most cases unique. No one would design the way I do (or maybe no one

> would want to ;) ) and no one would approach a programming situation in

> exactly the same way I do (again, maybe no one would want to). Aside from

> your laundry list of great commodified knowledge, you contain unique

> abilities and insights that are priceless. Be confident in that, and don't

> commoditize yourself. Because there's always some jr high schooler willing

> to work for cheaper.

> 

> Of course, if you have to pay rent and you aren't bringing down the big

> bucks then do what you gotta do. But best to concentrate on attracting

> clients who are willing to support your livelihood and method of problem

> solving (both creative and technical) then getting sucked into the safety

> of

> regular money (and dog hours and tight deadlines and not enough resources

> etc.). If necessary, consult a business coach.

> 

> I guess that might've been 4 cents worth :)

> 

> g

> 

> 

> 

> Gahlord Dewald

>

gahlordweedsmedia [dot] com

> Weeds Media Consortium

> www.weedsmedia.com

> 


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