Re: was: Re: FLASH: Flash crash is: Mac troubleshooting

[A.R.]

Frederico wrote:


> Some folks have said:

>

> >> >Flash 3 and 4  crash my Mac 4 or 5 times a day.

>

> So, when this happens, what do you do besides just force-quit and

> restart? Do you run DFA? Rebuild your DTs? Toss damaged prefs? Inspect

> your drives for fragmentation that easily and quickly corrupts VM and

> temp files? Or do you just restart and look surprised when it happens

> again? I'm sorry to be so snotty about this, but I'm just astonished that

> people fail to read the user's manual or seek other forms of free advice

> (that works) until they've beaten the System so badly that far more than

> simple repairs are required.

>

> Simple fact of the day:   A Properly maintained and dressed Mac running

> OS8.1 or 8.6 and proven apps will *not* crash! Period! Seriously!


Hi Frederico,

well, some nice things you�ve said there, good tips you maintained for all

the

beginners out there. Thx for that.

BUT: more serious problems CAN occur, even if you take care to all those

(correctly mentioned) hints you gave there!

IF you have the perfect situation to just use your Mac for just ONE app

at a

time (like Flash)

and you have yet another Mac for the next app you use, THEN you might be

right in what u say!


But even a super clean install can crash your Mac if you have to use more

then one ProApp. at a time.

Thats definetly the fact! Period! Why?

Very easy: cause EVERY damn ProApp is installing conflicting SysExtensions,

Controllboxes

and all other kind of shit inside your System YOU WONT EVEN EVER SEE!

(Specially Sicromoft is very active with all that .dll-shit it installs) So

you don�t want that?

OK, dont use the apps then. Or find yourself some setups that only load the

desired shit once u

want to use it. You know how long u can take for that? Days and weeks if you

want to make it right!

You really believe any User is able to go thru that process? *grin* I

tell u

just NO cause you just

dont know what you CAN switch off and what HAS to be running in order to

have a proper system!


Well, ok, as a developer what you do? Do YOU have the time to do all that?

(You must have a nice boss then :-()


You HAVE to use all those apps to stay up-to-date with your work, so

clean-install everything as u like,

and you will still have either one of these problems mentioned. Workaround?


If you have a good running machine - be happy you did it right.

But, just make ONE mistake and its gone with the wind!


Lets take Netscape Communicator 4.6.1., MANY users reported unexpected

crashes.

You think they all have badly installed systems?

Or try installing Sicromoft Office 4.2.1 on a Mac with System 8.1 even with

a clean installed system, everything

running perfect before the install.

Sicromoft installes the "Object Support Lib" in an older Version than the

System uses.

This CAN cause your system to crash (in certain configurations) on the

normal reboot after install and

not letting you get back to the Finder (it just hangs on reeboot), unless

you turn all Ext. off, reboot, throw away the Ext.

(cause you anyway dont need it with 8.1 cause its IN the system already !!!)

and after that get back to work!

Who in the world should know that (nothing is ever mentioned in the

ReadMe�s) without beeing a MacGuru ;-)) ?


This is just ONE example (out of a zillion!) that could happen to u as a

macuser these days.

I ALWAYS take care of my clean system, but what if these installers just put

garbidge in your system

that you dont want? (Many of them install old Extensions or other stuff

cause they dont check the Versions

and just override the newer stuff (even APPLE supplied installers!) - in

this case even Sicromoft-Installers

have a more secure way, cause they ASK you if u want to keep the newer EXT

or .dll and not just erase it)


See: Theory is always good, reality is something else in most cases!


Only in situations when u just use "easy"-apps like text-based stuff (Claris

Works) or just a FEW apps

(lets say u have 4-5 different apps on your machine) As soon as u have to

use Sound, Multimedia, Graphics, 3D

and more other apps AT ONCE on your computer - you can be in trouble!

Even purging your RAM (i do it!) will help only in certain situations,

not avoiding ALL of the problems i�ve mentioned.


So, just be friendly with us stupid Macusers - and don�t try to tell us that

taking care to all you mentioned

will avoid all the stupid problems that can occur. It won�t   ;-))


A "loving-the-Mac" User

Alex

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